Where Should I Go for University?

A lot of students have asked me why I chose to go to York University to study undergraduate biology. I get this question a lot, and the reason for this is quite obvious – a lot of people have the impression that York University’s reputation in science and engineering is not as strong as other universities, and so they wonder why I would go there, especially since I’m interested in applying to medical schools.
However, making a decision on where to go for university is much more complicated than that. There are numerous factors to consider, and we must be critical of the information we acquire when considering those factors.
I can’t tell where you should go for university, because everyone is different and only you can make the “right” decision for yourself. But what I can do is go through many of the questions I thought about while going through the decision making process myself, and how my answers to those questions eventually led me to York University.
Hopefully, going through my thought process will help provide some perspective and insight into some important things to consider when making your own selection.
Should I Even Go to University?
A lot of students are deciding on university programs before they even consider whether university is right for them in the first place. Whether or not to attend university itself should be the first and biggest question you ask, but it’s amazing that most students don’t even realize it. It seems as if it’s taught as a fact that it is in your best interest to pursue a university degree or other post-secondary education regardless of your actual circumstances.
However, this issue is much more complicated than what we’re usually told. Suffice to say, I don’t believe university makes sense for everyone, and certainly not at the same point in everyone’s lives. Sometimes students end up in the “wrong” programs because they just didn’t have enough time or experience to really think the decision through.
I know students who realized university at the time wasn’t right for them, left school to pursue other opportunities available, and through these experiences, realized what they truly wanted to study in university. It just took a little bit of life experience and maturity to realize what they really wanted to pursue.
Today, students are often taught this mentality that they should all go to university, and that they should know by the time they graduate high school what program they want to go into, and subsequently, what careers they should pursue. Sure it helps if you have this all planned out, but to think that all high school students should know themselves so well that they are able to select a lifelong career right after high school is a bit ridiculous.
You should be going to university for a real reason. Every major decision you make in life should be supported by strong reasons – that is, your crucial decisions should make sense to you.
You shouldn’t be going to university because your parents want you to, or because all your friends are. If you’re going to spend a significant amount of money and time on something like a university education, shouldn’t you be sure this is exactly what you want to do? That it makes sense for you at this moment in your life? That you’ll be able to approach it somewhat seriously?
I have met students who didn’t know what university programs they wanted to pursue, but didn’t want to be the odd one out with their friends or disappoint their family. So they started a university program that “sounded right”, and mid-way or post-graduation, realized they didn’t have any real interest in that field. But that’s time and money wasted, and often there is no choice but to just go with it. There just might not be enough time or money to reflect or start over – I don’t think that students should ever have to be in that situation.
For me, it was pretty simple – I was interested in medicine. And to apply to medical school, I need to be in an undergraduate university program, so the choice to attend university was a no brainer for me. I’m fortunate that I had an interest that required a university education, so I didn’t have to spend as much time thinking or reflecting on whether to even go. But not everyone is at the same points in their lives, and not everyone is ready to make the same decisions at the same time.
I have a friend who is pretty darn smart, but his grades don’t reflect that. He procrastinates his work and studying, and sometimes if he’s procrastinated too much, he just gives up and doesn’t complete his tasks. The problem is that he has no set goals or vision for what he wants to do after his degree or for a career, so he sees no reason to take his education seriously.
Conversely, I know that my GPA matters when I apply to medical school, so I take my courses much more seriously. If I didn’t feel like my marks mattered or I had no plan for why I was doing my degree, I could definitely see myself slacking off completely in school.
You need to ask yourself why you want to go to university, if it makes sense for you to do it, and subsequently, if it makes sense for you to do it right now.
Which Universities Have the Program I Want?
If you know what types of programs you want to pursue, it makes sense to apply to universities that actually have the programs you want. Sure, it’s possible that you might think other factors are more important than program (e.g. your friends/loved ones are going to certain universities, so you want to go with them, etc.), but that’s your choice. Personally, if you’re going to spend three to four years and a decent chunk of change, I think you should be learning things and getting a degree in something you actually want.
I decided to pursue some sort of life sciences program at university so that it would be easy for me to complete all of my medical school prerequisites. I applied to biology programs at most of my university choices, neuroscience at the University of Toronto, and health sciences at McMaster University.
Does It Matter Which University I Attend?
It really amazes me sometimes how much we listen to rumours and random people instead of going to the actual source for our information. Then again, I do it too – I read the newspaper, even though they are by no means the experts on any real world situation. It’s often easier to ask nearby sources – I mean, if your parents tell you something, you believe it, right?
At the same time, you need to realize that the only place you’re going to get completely accurate information from is the original source. If you’re interested in your school’s policy on a certain issue, and need to be 100% sure about it, you’re best off consulting your school’s actual documents instead of asking your principal or teacher.
When it comes to making crucial life decisions, you want to be as close to 100% sure as possible about your information. If you have a question about a certain university’s admissions guidelines, don’t ask you teacher – go to that university’s admissions webpage. Because seriously, who do you think would have the most accurate and up to date information? Sometimes I find it strange when students ask me questions about scholarship application policies, when it’s much safer to email the scholarship organization itself – I don’t work there, so it’s very possible that I could be wrong about some things.
I remember sitting at a medical school seminar hosted by one of my university’s student services clubs last year. The seminar involved six first year medical school students talking a bit about certain medical school topics and then doing some Q & A. I remember someone asking one of the medical school students what the previous year’s MCAT cutoffs were for Queen’s Medical School. I distinctly remember that the answer he gave was way off base (since Queen’s had posted their cutoffs for the previous year on their website), but of course, this student had no reason not to believe him – though like I said, I don’t see why someone would ask him a question that they could get the right answer for 100% of the time from the official website. Though it goes to show you that despite good intentions, you’re always best off getting your information from the original source.
A lot of high school (and even some university) students think that Canadian medical schools care about which university you attended for undergraduate studies, and that students from university’s with “worse reputations” are discriminated against in the admissions process. For whatever reason, York University’s science programs are sometimes labeled as having not as strong a reputation as some of the other university science programs in Canada – yet the funny thing is that if you ask a lot of students what this means and what evidence this is based on, they can’t answer. If you’re concerned about the quality of undergraduate science education, I really doubt there is a significant difference between Canadian universities. Of course, there will always be slight differences in types of programs or varieties of courses offered, and you may factor that into your decision.
I always have students asking me why I chose York University since they have heard from friends, parents, and teachers that medical schools “don’t accept applicants from York” or “discriminate against York applicants” or other similar things. Well, I know firsthand this isn’t true because my older brother, Jerome, had several medical school interviews the past couple of years, and is currently attending medical school at the University of Toronto – and yes, he’s a York University graduate. I have also met or know of several York University undergraduate students who got into Canadian medical schools the past few years. Never mind the fact that Canadian medical schools explicitly state on their websites that they essentially accept applicants from all Canadian universities. It really boggles my mind when students choose not to go to York University based on false ideas from individuals not even associated or knowledgeable on the medical school admissions process, instead of asking the actual source itself.
So for me, I didn’t have to worry about which university I ended up choosing, since all of them are acceptable for medical school applications.
Am I saying university reputation doesn’t matter or doesn’t exist? No, I am definitely not saying that, but I’m also not saying that it does. It might be true that certain employers discriminate against students from a certain university or program while showing better treatment to others – I can’t say, and that’s something you’ll have to research on your own. I don’t know the truth to this and the extent of it outside of the medical school admissions process, so I can’t accurately comment on it.
Long story short, you need to figure out whether where you go to university matters in terms of your overall career plan, and adjust your choices accordingly. And when you do research this information, please go to the original source and make sure you’re getting accurate information!
Does the University have Opportunities I’m Interested In?
A university is more than just about the classroom. It is an opportunity to not only grow and develop academically, but also socially, spiritually, personally, etc. I think all of these different types of growth are important to most people, so it’s important to pick a university that satisfies your needs and interests in areas outside academics.
If you’re interested in athletics, does the university have the teams or intramurals you enjoy and excel in? If you’re interested in music, does the university have musical bands or other types of groups you would want to join?
One of the key things that attracted me York University was research opportunity. In high school, I always wanted the chance at hands on laboratory research, but the opportunity never fully materialized – so I looked forward to the experience in university. When I was offered one of York University’s major scholarships, I inquired and was told that I could possibly start a research experience right after high school graduation. Although that could not happen for certain reasons, York University did connect me with a mentor and distinguished researcher for the fall of my first year.
Throughout the year, we would meet once or twice a month just to talk about how my university experience was going. He also let me do a bit of research shadowing during the year, attend a lab meeting, go to some talks, etc. During my summer after first year, he let me volunteer in his lab doing the exact same things other full-time summer research students were doing. In my year, I recall several other first year science students at York University also being connected with mentors, though I am not sure if this program continues today. That being said, I think this is pretty rare, and most professors at any university probably would not go out of their way to help first year students in this manner. I am very fortunate that my mentor is a big supporter of students.
In contrast, when I went to a scholarship interview at another university, I asked the judges if first year students were allowed to get involved with hands on research, and they told me that I probably wouldn’t be allowed to volunteer or work in a lab until after second year. I’m not sure if this is actually true, but at the time, the perceived differences in opportunity for hands on research available swayed my opinion heavily to York University. I liked the fact that student research opportunities were there, and I could get involved right away if I wanted to.
So if there are certain opportunities or activities that are important to you, search out and see which universities support those things.
Do You Like the University Campus?
If you’re going to spend a lot of time or even live there, you’d better make sure you like the university campus. You want to make sure that you’d enjoy the overall environment there. While there are times to take university seriously, there are also times to have fun or even just enjoy the scenery.
Most of the university campuses I’ve been to were pretty nice for the most part. Some just stood out as being a really awesome place to be, while a few seemed a bit gloomy. While I don’t think York University had my favourite campus, I preferred the more modern look it had compared to other more traditional-looking universities.
Does Location Matter?
For some students, the most important thing about university is that it’s far, far away from home. Other students don’t mind living at home if that means being able to save up some money for other things.
For me, there were a few activities in Toronto that were important to me, such as my church choir. Going to York University would allow me to remain involved with that. I also lived on campus for my first two years, so I still sort of had somewhat of an “away from home” experience. I personally don’t like change that much, so to be able to have a bit of change but not too much was a nice balance for me.
Other Factors?
We’re all different, and some of you will probably have different and additional factors to consider when choosing where you go for university. In addition, you will probably value each of these factors differently from everyone else.
There’s no “correct” or “right” combination of factors to consider when choosing your university. I just want you to encourage you to look at this as a serious decision, and use the amount of thought that it deserves. This is a decision that will affect the next three to four years of your
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Comments
LOL @ brother commenting on your article.
So why did you go to York anyway? (Yes I read the article, just want to know if they have any special programs and whatnot)
Hey, I came across this site via the studentawards website.
Anyways, I am exactly in the same position as you once were, My parents and everyone of my friends say York isn’t a good school for medicine and all that, but the thing is I want to stay at home, and not go far from here. So that leaves me with 2 options, and I had a feeling UofT is just not right for me. so I am hoping to get into york.
Anyways My marks aren’t as great as yours were, but I know I will work hard and get into med school. I have so much questions, since my goals are so much similar to yours, I actually applied to Biomedical science at york, which is most likely same as yours. I want to talk to you and ask you questions, if you have time we can talk via msn or something, it would be very HELPFUL to me..
I wish you all the best with your goal, I wish I can get there one day too.
Good Luck and THANK YOU, because your messages helped me be confident in my decisions.
please get back to me if yo have time,
thanks again.
Ok now I am accepted to York Biomed, and UofT Sciences.. And this choosing of the university is KILLING me. I cant decide. I dont even know what to look for in a university.. I have around 1 months to choose, and after that, thats it..
anyways my real question was aboug GPA. I hear at york, upon graduation, all of the A (80), A+(80+) are converted into 4.0s. Is this true? if not, can you please outline for me how York does its GPA system?
I know at UofT 85+ = 4.0 but am unsure about york..
Thanks so much,
I am currently a highschool student in a simular position, I was considering going to York but the rumors of its science program not having a big reputation doubts my decision. I`m not sure whether or not to do York biomedical, or kinesiology, or Western`s biomedical program.
I have also heard though that it tends to be easier to get good grades at York, is this true? and I`m not sure if the kinesiology program will prepare me well enough for the MCAT?
Please get back to be if you can, your opinion will be greatly appreciated
Thanks a lot!!
Hello, I must say I am honestly so glad I came across your site. (:
I’ve recently accepted an offer for Biomedical Sciences at York, but I have a few worries on my mind, since my marks aren’t exactly the greatest… basically, they’re dropping. Upon checking the program’s requirements (I find myself doing this over and over… that’s how worried I am), the prerequisites include advanced functions, calculus & vectors, and chemistry, and I’m guessing the minimum average I have to maintain is somewhere in the high 70’s. My problem is that my calculus mark is… rather horrible… like 60% at the moment. However, even if my calc mark drops a little lower than 60 I’ll still be able to maintain that high 70’s average. I’m just worried about them looking at the marks for individual prerequisite courses, which may mean my future doesn’t look too bright. How much should I be worrying?
Thank you for the advice, Joshua! ![]()
I think I didn’t word my question properly last post… so here I am again… sorry for the trouble! Haha. Um, what I meant to ask was… Well, my situation is like this:
The average we have to maintain for Biomed at York is high 70’s. I was accepted with an 80+ average, but now with calculus and chem (prerequisites) added to my overall, I have dropped to a high 70’s average. My calculus mark is particularly ugly, but I’m definitely still going to get the credit for it. If my calculus mark is bad, do you think York will sack me? (And by “bad” I mean in the 50-60s range… they never stated any specific conditions for me, this is why I worry.) Thanks!
If, in grade 12, all 6 of my courses are 85+, i have a 4.0 gpa when i apply to UofT? or does GPA not apply to university admission, perhaps they look at the exact average? I’m not sure :S
Wow! Great Website.
My parents want me to go to U of T but a lot of people have told me to go to a smaller university where the competition is less. For instance, they said U of T would not be the best choice because its extremely competitive. If you have an 85 at U of T your rank will still be pretty low whereas an 85 in another smaller university will assure you a high rank. Basically, I’ve heard that Med schools look at where you stand in your class, and hence U of T or any other really big/competitive university would not be the best choice for premed.
What are your thoughts on this? Thanks a lot!
Great blog!
I just wanted to know why you decided to go to York, was it because its lower reputation in the sciences would mean that the program would be less competitive? Because, on one of your other posts, you said your grade was around the 94% mark, which basically would get you into almost any biology program, except the ones that have supplementary applications, and very few weigh the supplementary applications heavy enough to offset a 94 average.
So why did you, on a personal level, not decide to go to some other university which was more reputable in the sciences dept?
Thanks a lottt!!
Thanks for the information. This blog provides so much relevant information. I’m glad I can receive some advice from an experienced person.
Keep it up Joshua.
Thanks
Harry
Hi Joshua,
In you previous post, you mentioned that a 90+ at UT would equal to a 4.0 on a OMSAS scale.
My question is, then what mark would a York student need to get (percentage and GPA) that would equal a 4.0 according to OMSAS?
Also, I would like to know your opinion on the level of difficulty of UTSC’s Science program and YORK’s Biomed program. I understand that you didn’t study at UTSC, but I would like to know your opinion. My end goal is to be a competitive applicant for Medical School. I hope you can give me some advice, as I am choosing between the two.
Thanks for you help Joshua, and please keep the blog updated when you have time!
Regards,
Germaine
Hi, I recently came upon your blogs and have found them quite informative. I have a couple of questions that I would greatly appreciate your impute on. Firstly I am currently in grade ten, and pursuing a career in the medical field (and yes, I know how outrageously competitive it is). Though I know I have a long way to go, I am quite passionate about the sciences and my parents feel as though I should be more informed about my future goals. This brings me to my questions. My brother (three years senior to me) applied to health sciences at McMaster and Arts and Sciences at McMaster, as well as neuroscience at UFT.He did not get excepted into Health Sciences (though he had a 96 and was top of the class) but did get excepted into UFT and the arts and sciences program. He chose neuroscience, but I was wondering why you chose the biomed program over the neuroscience program, seeing as both were in Toronto? What were the deciding factors? I am also rather confused about how to chose Universities. I know that I must first apply and be accepted, but I would like to know what factors should influence a decision besides the prestige ,and location of the University. What should I look for in programs beyond prerequisites as a aspiring med student? I would greatly appreciate answers as I value your experienced opinion.
Much Thanks,
Sonia
thanks so much for the answer. I am really interested by the “mentored by a professor” part. Is this something that is available in all Universities, and must it be offered by the University itself in order to have that opportunity?
Thanks,
Sonia
Hi Joshua, thank you for setting up this great blog. I think you are a role model for all the students who want to go to medical school. I just had a few questions about york.
1. Do you think it would be easier to get higher marks at york than at U of T Life Science? Are the tests very difficult at york?
2. How many courses do I have to take per year at York Biology?
3. Are the professers at York helpful, because at U of T, i have heard that the TAs dont really care about the undergrad students.
4.Are there any free tutoring or acedemic support centers that are found at the York Campus, where there are people that are available to help with your writing, math, science course work?
Thank You
Thanks for the answers!
I have a few more questions…
1. What were some of the class averages in your first year classes? Were there differences in the averages between the science and math courses compared to the english and philosophy or psychology courses?
2. Does York U have so called “bird” courses?
3. In general do you think social sciences and humanities courses were easier and had less work load than the science and math courses at York?
Thank You again.
Hey,
Your blog is amazing. It helps me out whenever like I need like right now, which is why im digging through your older posts at the middle of the night. So here’s the situation.
I already got early acceptance to York Biomed with the hieghest level entrance scholarship. Even I got accepted other universities too but i’m 99.99% sure I’m going to york since I get to stay in Toronto. By the way, my ultimate goal is to end up at Uft Medschool and later become a pediatric surgeon. All this sounds soo similar to your situation I know..which is why I think you are the best person to give me some advice. So finally, my question is exactly which scholarship you got that gave you the research opportunity? ..Also, if York doesnt offer that scholarship or opportunity you had then, how do I approach/contact a professor to voluntter or participate in any reaserch project/lab? Also, my grade 12 average is 96% so far. Do you think it is possible to keep 9.0 GPA at York? I know its hard to answer since there are so many factors but please just give me your opinion.Finally,…any advice on York or university in general…??
I know you are super busy with Medschool So millions thanks for reading.
Hi Joshua!
I’m a current grade 11 student in the process of choosing courses for grade 12. I have maintained a 90%+ overall average in grade 9 and 10, and I finished my first semester of grade 11 with a 94% overall average. Because i will be completing 4 grade 12 courses in grade 11, I would like to make my grade 12 easier by have 1 spare and 3 courses in each semester so I can focus on the required courses and obtain higher marks.
My question is:
Will not having a maximum course load of 4 courses per semester decrease my chances in obtaining admission into an elite program? My goal is to obtain admission into McMaster’s Health Sciences program.
Thank you for your help!

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