Medical School Admissions: How important are non-academic components really?

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After reading Medaholic’s great post on why grades are the most important component of the medical school admissions process, it got me thinking about how important the non-GPA/MCAT components actually are. And the more I think about it, the more it seems like they are significantly less important than most people realize.

Now, let me make sure there’s no confusion by saying that I do think things like extra-curricular activities, community involvement, travel experiences, hobbies, etc. all have a huge amount of value. But I think their value lies much more in how they help you personally develop and grow, and not so much in really affecting your chances at getting into medical school to the degree that your GPA and MCAT scores do.

And yet it seems to me that a lot of students see to have the perception that you need to have a resume that is a mile long in order to have a shot at getting into medical school. Because of this, some students take on way too much and completely exhaust themselves day in and day out. Not only do I think this is bad for the student’s mental and physical health (and that doing something solely for the sake of applying to medical school is something you will probably regret), but in terms of the medical school admissions process, it’s really unnecessary. And worse, some students take on so many non-academic activities that it seriously hurts their academic performance, without realizing that GPA is always the first step in the medical school door.

Granted, I can’t speak for all medical schools, since there are 17 in Canada and I only know about the Ontario ones. So while I don’t want to make any generalized claims, what I will do is analyze four of the medical schools in Ontario whose admissions process I do know a decent bit about, and the role non-academic components actually play. And from there, you can come to your own conclusions (though it’s pretty obvious what I think).

McMaster University

This past year, McMaster used two main formulas in their admissions process.

Pre-interview (for determining interview invites): 66% GPA and 33% Autobiographical Sketch
Post-interview (for making the actual offers of admission): 33% GPA and 66% Interview

So, let’s look at where non-academic aspects and experiences of your life actually play a role.

Well, for the pre-interview assessment, the only way non-academic components could play a role is in the Autobiographical Sketch.

Well, to my knowledge, McMaster doesn’t admit to using the 48 item Autobiographical Sketch. Rather, this 33% is supposedly only based on 5 short essay questions each being up to 700 characters long (which ends up being ~100 words usually). This year, those questions where:

  1. Ethics is considered one of the most important traits in a future physician. Describe an ethical dilemma that you have faced, how you dealt with it and what you learned from it.
  2. Gauging that you have learned enough is arguably one of the more difficult aspects of a self-directed learning program. What strategies have you (or will you) use to ensure your learning is progressing at an appropriate pace?
  3. Give an example of how you have been challenged around the issue of cultural competency and how you handled it.
  4. What efforts have you made to determine if a career as a physician is the right career for you?
  5. What do you think has been the most important contribution that you have made so far in your life?

Obviously, some of these questions require non-academic experiences, and the quality of those experiences can help you formulate a better answer. But, as I have expressed in many articles before, the quality of your answer often depends more on how you express yourself than the actual examples you rely on. Great experiences don’t directly equate to great essay answers. It takes a lot of hard work and skill to express those experiences in a way that impresses the evaluator within a 700 character limit. It’s also important to realize that the McMaster admissions committee only sees what you tell them – so if you won a Nobel Prize, well, they won’t know unless there’s actually a question where it makes sense for you to mention it and you choose to use it. Finally, your answers to these five questions only make up 33% of your pre-interview score – again, GPA is more important.

Once you get to the actual interview stage, the Multiple Mini Interview (MMI) is the deciding factor. It’s worth 66%, and is essentially the deciding factor, since most applicants that get to the interview stage likely all have strong GPAs now. So the question now is, do your non-academic experiences play a role in the MMI? In my experience, I would say that your non-academic experiences are unlikely to play a direct role in helping you with the stations. MMI stations generally involve critical thinking more than anything, as you are dealing with situations and responding to them. You are significantly more likely to be asked to discuss health care policy than your most important volunteer experience.

While it is true that diverse non-academic experiences can help you develop skills and knowledge that will aid you in the interview (e.g. teamwork, communication, etc.), my point is that you’re not being graded directly on those experiences.

Queen’s University

The Queen’s admissions committee selects applicants to be interviewed only through a GPA and MCAT cutoff. It doesn’t matter if you are a Rhodes scholar, on the cover of Nature magazine, or whatever. If you don’t have the marks and MCAT score, you don’t have a shot at Queen’s.

That being said, at the interview stage, the two interviewers do have your 48 item autobiographical sketch. While it is a tool for the interviewers to get to know you better, again, you’re not graded directly on it. And while you will undoubtedly need to rely on your non-academic experiences to answer the interview questions, again, the skill of interviewing well and marketing yourself in person is a much more significant factor than your actual experiences.

Just to be clear, I’m not saying that you would be successful in the medical school admissions process without having done nothing but study. But just because you haven’t won a million awards, volunteered with medical organizations overseas, or been the president of five university clubs, does not mean you have a significantly worse shot than people who do.

University of Western Ontario

Pretty much the same as Queen’s University. They have GPA and MCAT cutoffs to decide who makes it to the interview round. However, the Western interviewers aren’t given anything about you, so even more so, being able to market yourself is significantly more crucial than having simply done things.

University of Toronto

Unless things have changed, academics are weighted 60% both before and after the interview.

And from what I’ve heard, your personal essay and reference letters are the most important aspect of your non-academic score before the interview. When you read some of the online premed forums, there are often complaints about the admissions process. Applicants who seemingly have “amazing non-academic profiles” get rejected pre-interview on an annual basis, making a lot of students think the entire process is just some random lottery.

The problem with simply posting “stats” as applicants like to call them, is that the stats tell us nothing. They tell us nothing about how the essay and reference letters were written, which is what applicants are primarily graded on. As I have stressed many times over, writing essays is in itself a skill set. Your essay is not going to be magnificent simply because your resume is a mile long. The two have zero correlation.

I’m not going to deny that given two exactly same essays, one with “on the cover of Nature magazine” and the other with “had a publication”, the former will likely score better (though not necessarily significantly). My point is that you don’t need to never sleep and have saved the world to prove you will be a good doctor. And that if you’re going to spend extra time on something, unless you are already doing really well, spend that time boosting your grades.

But I should still do something, right? So what non-academic / extra-curricular things should I do?

First of all yes, you should do something. Even if you aren’t applying to medical school, I think you’re missing out on a lot if you don’t pursue things outside of the academic world. Whether that’s sports, music, research, arts, traveling, charity, hobbies, etc. All of these things provide education in many things that you can’t find in the classroom. They are valuable to your personal development, enjoyment, and sanity.

But since we’re talking about medical school, you want to know what I’d suggest, right? Okay, well first off, let me say that one of the questions that I hate the most is “what type of activities should I do to get into medical school?”. Tell a student interested in applying to medical school that you got in, and sometimes, one of the first questions you’re asked is: “So, what extra-curriculars did you do?” Honestly, this question drives me insane sometimes.

I generally don’t answer the question directly. I’ll just mention some random stuff I do in my free time. But most of the time I’ll just say that it doesn’t matter. There is no magical formula. I don’t know why people keep thinking this, but it’s not like doing X, Y, and Z means you’ll automatically get into medical school. It does not work like that.

For instance, a lot of people might tell you that medical schools expect you to have volunteered in a hospital. Well, that’s wrong. How do I know? Well, I have never volunteered in a hospital in my entire life, and I still got in!

What it comes down to is that you should get involved in things you find some enjoyment in. I know it sounds cliche, but you don’t want to do things simply for your resume because then your entire life becomes a chore. I’m not afraid to admit there are a few things I did because I thought I “should” for medical school, and I regret all of them. It’s not worth it, and it probably won’t affect your chances (unless you’re way too lazy to do anything in the first place). Whether you like joining your school’s band, playing varsity or intramural sports, joining your school’s cultural association, or whatever. Do it first and foremost for you, and figure out the rest later.

All that being said, I do think it’s a good idea to get some experience in the health care field. Not just because it will probably be good for your application, but if you’re serious about spending the next six to ten years training in medicine, not withstanding the thousands of dollars in expenses, don’t you think you should have some basic idea of what you’re getting yourself into? Granted, volunteering at a hospital or shadowing a physician isn’t the same as actually being a doctor, but those types of activities will at least give you some basic insight into the field. So not only will it give you an idea of what being a physician might be like, but it demonstrates to admissions committees and interviewers that you’ve obviously put some thought into the career.

What is your point, really?

I get the feeling this entire article is pretty disorganized and just a bunch of rambling in a lot of places. So let me try and sum up what I’m trying to say.

Are non-academic experiences like extra-curriculars important? Yes, they are important to your personal growth, and yes they are important to the medical school admissions process. However, what exactly you’ve done is not as important as the lessons and skills you’ve taken away from them, and how well you can explain that via essays and the interview.

You don’t need to be involved in a gazillion things and have a resume a mile long (yes, I realized this is the third time I’ve used this phrase!). Just do things you enjoy, spend some time exploring the health care field, and then (this is key) spend a significant amount of time strategizing which experiences you should choose to mention in your essay and how to sell it best (and the same goes for the interview) – of course, how to do that well, is a discussion for another day.

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  • Suzanne

    Hi Joshua

    I stumbled across this website today, while taking a break from studying the MCAT. I am a student from Alberta who just finished the 2nd year univ in Alberta university, and I want to apply to U of Toronto med school this year. Like you mentioned above, I do not have any publications or I did not win gazillions of awards, but I think I have adequate amount of extracurricular activities to present to the admissions people and explain how each experience shaped me. Now, my main concern is my GPA. I have been doing fairly well in the past three semesters in university, but in the last semester of my 2nd year my marks crashed to B+ range. The main reason was because I had a big emotional meltdown and such. When I checked the OMSAS scale, it says that I could elaborate on any possible reasons that contributed to my low marks and stuff. Do you think it is a good idea to talk about my issues in that section? Would it sound too whiny?

    So, my cumulative GPA is ~3.76ish at the moment. Do you think my GPA is too low even to be considered for an interview? U of Toronto's been my dream and I know I messed up and it's entirely my fault that my grades stink like crazy, but I am just so frustrated right now and I wanted to talk to someone.

    By the way I really like your website! Thanks for bearing my random rambling and I hope to hear from you sometime!

    From a distressed rambling person :)

  • Joshua

    Hi Suzanne,

    Glad you are finding the blog helpful! If you honestly believe your circumstances affected your academics, then I see no problem mentioning it on OMSAS. I would, however, be hesitant on mentioning it in your essay unless you had a very good reason to.

    I would say that as a 3rd year applicant, getting an interview with that GPA is likely going to be challenging but if you have the money and time to apply, you might as well just go for it.

    Good luck!

  • Claire

    Hi Joshua,

    First, I want to thank you for setting this blog up to help fellow medical school hopefuls. My question is:

    If I register for the Duke of Edinburgh's Award (Silver) when I am 15 and complete it when I am 16, can I use this as one of my achievements for my medical school application? Since I started before I was 16, I'm not sure if I can still note this down on my medical school application.

    Thanks, your help is much appreciated!

  • Claire

    Also, can you suggest a few thing we can do as high school students (gr10,11,12) that will help out medical school applications? Because I will need non-academic experiences and extracurricular for university applications, I want to be able to use them towards my medical school applications as well. Also, do you know of any research opportunities for high school students?

    Thanks for the help,

    Claire

  • Joshua

    Claire: No problem, glad you are finding the blog helpful!

    I think it's fine to mention anything that occurs when you are 16 and older. So if you complete it at 16, I think it's fine to mention.

    I would say just get involved in things you like – I wouldn't worry so much about being strategic for medical school, because if you enjoy it, you will do well in it, and it will show. That being said, doing something medically related (e.g. volunteering, shadowing doctors, etc.) to learn more about the profession will be helpful both to your decision on whether medicine is for you, and also to show medical schools you have done your homework on the profession. You should also try and develop your leadership skills, and have some leadership roles – to show you can work in a team in all capacities.

    As for research opportunities for high school students, check out:

    http://www.genecure.ca/en/programs/gene-researche…

    http://www.drsa.ca/blog/index.php

  • Claire

    Hey Joshua,

    It Claire again. Please realize that you've been really helpful. Thanks! Because I recently graduated from high school but not yet in university, I plan to find a internship/research position at a medical research centre or hospital. I do understand that most of these are offered for undergraduate students, but I really want to gain some experience. Can you please provide me with some tips on how I can do this, or suggest some opportunities that you know of? Thanks.

  • Claire

    And just to let you know, I've applied for the Gene Cure Researcher For A Week Program you suggested me. Wish me luck! =D

  • Joshua

    Hi Claire,

    Honestly, I don't have much experience with this kind of thing. My only suggestion is to do as much research as you can, find people whose work interests you, and send off a bunch of emails with a CV and cover letter. Persistence is key.

    Best of luck!

  • Sandra

    Hi joshua! Congrats on getting in!

    On the U OF T website they were mentioning about eliminating lowest marks

    "The weighting formula is a method of GPA calculation eliminating some lower course marks".Since i end up with a D in genetics our prof was really bad! does that actually help!!!

    thnx Joshua

  • Marina

    Hey Joshua! Your website was splendidly helpful. I was wondering if I didn't take full course load but just 4.5 (4 half courses per semester and 5 half credited courses in another) does that affect my GPA calculation and med school admission. However, I do have 5 credits per year because I make up for it during the summer.

    Thank you so much for your help!

    Sincerely,

    Marina

  • Joshua

    Hey Sandra,

    Thanks! =)

  • Joshua

    Hi Marina,

    I would say it depends on the medical school – I don't know the rules off the top of my head, but the medical school websites will make it clear how they will interpret it.

  • Med Hopeful

    Hey Joshua,

    Currently im in Biomed at York. Second Year. I'm in a bit of a trouble and was wondering what you'd do if you were in my position. My first year gpa was around the 3.4-3.5 range, which is quite appalling and now, in my second year, I decided to take physics and so far have been doing poorly. If i get an A+ on the exam, I can get a B in the course. However, if i drop the course I'll be down to 20 credits for year 2. Which is better? Getting rid of the course and aiming for a high gpa regardless of the credits or keeping the course and just doing the best possible and repeat it?

    Thanks

  • Joshua

    @Med Hopeful: What are your goals? Is it medical school? It's a tough decision either way – if you drop the course then you only have 20 credits, and that's going to make your route to medial school longer – but your GPA will also be affected by your physics mark. How are you doing in your other courses?

  • Med Hopeful

    Hey Joshua,

    Med School is the goal. The route actually wont be longer as I'm doing a bunch of summer courses (Biochem and if i drop physics ill do it this summer) and I'll be on track again by the end of the summer. My main problem is to figure out if its worth it..the drop i mean…will it be a problem if i end up with 20 credits for one year? the next two will be full course load hence western/queens would look at those two if anything. My other courses are so far As. but apart from orgo and genetics im doing philosophy and english and physics now

  • Joshua

    @Med Hopeful: Yah I'm just worried about you having a full course load. It's a tough decision either way. If you think you can pull your physics mark up, then I say go for it. If you can't, but all your other marks are A's, and if you're not planning on applying for a few years anyways, then maybe it's okay to drop it. I'm not exactly sure about the full course load issue so I'd make sure to check that first.

  • Med Hopeful 2

    This is amazing, and very informative. Thank you!

    • Anonymous

      No problem! :)

  • Beatrice

    I know this article is from several years ago, but I just stumbled upon it and want to say thanks very much for it! I’m in 2nd year at U of T right now (double major in Biochemistry and Mental Health Studies) and I’ve been freaking out because I did NO extra-curricular activities during my first year because I decided I would “focus” on school. That actually ended up backfiring because I was miserable and was not being challenged.. so I actually barely ever showed up at school, crammed for all my exams, and ended the year with quite a low GPA (really counting on those weighting formulas now!). Not advisable at all.

    This year I’m doing extra-curricular activities that I’m really really enjoying and I’m actually very likely to end the semester with a 4.0. I was still worried because they aren’t actually medical-related, but this article makes me feel MUCH better about that situation.. although I do plan on doing a summer medical leadership program because I think it would be an amazing experience!

    So yeah, I just wanna say thanks for the article!! And a piece of advice for any other ‘Med Hopefuls’ out there, especially ones still in high school/starting out university.. get out there and do something outside of class that you’re interested in.. if not for your resume, do it for the sake of your sanity!! It’s important to get amazing marks and related extracurriculars, but if it means killing yourself with work and being overwhelmed with things you don’t even enjoy for a whole FOUR YEARS.. well you can decide for yourself if that’s worth it! Cheers :)

    • Anonymous

      Awesome comment, and I agree, sometimes we need to do things outside of school so that we are happy enough to do well in school :) I am experiencing that right now, even in medical school!