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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://www.medhopeful.com/archive/clarification-of-my-last-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1598</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Dec 2009 13:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the great post medaholic.  I especially resonate with your last paragraph, which I think we&#039;re starting to better understand through our clinical skills course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the great post medaholic.  I especially resonate with your last paragraph, which I think we&#8217;re starting to better understand through our clinical skills course.</p>
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		<title>By: medaholic</title>
		<link>http://www.medhopeful.com/archive/clarification-of-my-last-post/comment-page-1/#comment-1592</link>
		<dc:creator>medaholic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 18:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk to some of your peers and see how they study and learn. You would be quite surprised I think. I would guess many of them feel the same way you do.

If anything &quot;success&quot; and I use that term loosely in medicine is more or less correlated with dedication and hard work. People who spend more time with the material know it better than another person who has not. Most people in your class are intelligent and succeeded in undergrad. They know how to play the system. The difference in medical students is often their attitude. 

And one more thing I would add is to take the time to not only develop your critical thinking ability but your patient empathy and compassion. Listen to your patients and try to understand where they are coming from. Because a good doctor is much more than smart brains, caring for people comes from the heart.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk to some of your peers and see how they study and learn. You would be quite surprised I think. I would guess many of them feel the same way you do.</p>
<p>If anything &#8220;success&#8221; and I use that term loosely in medicine is more or less correlated with dedication and hard work. People who spend more time with the material know it better than another person who has not. Most people in your class are intelligent and succeeded in undergrad. They know how to play the system. The difference in medical students is often their attitude. </p>
<p>And one more thing I would add is to take the time to not only develop your critical thinking ability but your patient empathy and compassion. Listen to your patients and try to understand where they are coming from. Because a good doctor is much more than smart brains, caring for people comes from the heart.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Dec 2009 01:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rach:  Yah, students are on various curriculum committees here in medical school.  This is going to sound lame, but I think the idea I have in my mind would be extremely hard to convince the medical school to do, and I don&#039;t think I care about it badly enough to make it a priority of mine to fight for it.  Just the honest truth.

Khalil:  Well first, I am barely passing, and that in itself is a bit stressful =) Also, there is the whole ego aspect of being disappointed in yourself when you know you can do better.  And finally, there are a few feelings of obligation do the best you can, because isn&#039;t that what you would want from the doctor treating you?  Not saying I agree with all of this, but I&#039;m sure everyone has these thoughts from time to time.

Nationscloud:  That&#039;s a really good post, thanks for writing it.

While I agree that you are the most important driving force for your own success in your critical thinking development, I believe that if we&#039;re going to provide an education, we need to help students develop it in some way.  While we can&#039;t create that motivation necessarily, we can at least provide a taste of it and resources to nurture it (and I think we should).

No one can think for you, but peers and instructors can be invaluable in helping you to develop your critical thinking skills further.  They can challenge your thought process and suggest alternative ways of thinking about things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rach:  Yah, students are on various curriculum committees here in medical school.  This is going to sound lame, but I think the idea I have in my mind would be extremely hard to convince the medical school to do, and I don&#8217;t think I care about it badly enough to make it a priority of mine to fight for it.  Just the honest truth.</p>
<p>Khalil:  Well first, I am barely passing, and that in itself is a bit stressful =) Also, there is the whole ego aspect of being disappointed in yourself when you know you can do better.  And finally, there are a few feelings of obligation do the best you can, because isn&#8217;t that what you would want from the doctor treating you?  Not saying I agree with all of this, but I&#8217;m sure everyone has these thoughts from time to time.</p>
<p>Nationscloud:  That&#8217;s a really good post, thanks for writing it.</p>
<p>While I agree that you are the most important driving force for your own success in your critical thinking development, I believe that if we&#8217;re going to provide an education, we need to help students develop it in some way.  While we can&#8217;t create that motivation necessarily, we can at least provide a taste of it and resources to nurture it (and I think we should).</p>
<p>No one can think for you, but peers and instructors can be invaluable in helping you to develop your critical thinking skills further.  They can challenge your thought process and suggest alternative ways of thinking about things.</p>
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		<title>By: Nationscloud</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nationscloud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 23:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my little opinion, critcal thinking is something that cannot be taught explicitly on. 

From my experience, you need to have the pure will and interest on the subject being taught in the first place. This makes the person an active thinker. An active thinker will consistently try to understand a subject better by applying it in many different ways. It often starts with a question to yourself, &quot;what if...?&quot;. Also if the subject being taught was accumulative, they might as well as think about in relations to the knowledge they have acquired before. However, in my experience, doing such was often very time and energy-consuming, making it an &#039;energy guzzling process&#039;. And ofcourse, often many people just don&#039;t have enough time and energy to burn their whole passion on the subject because every one of them will have different priorities, or often inspirations. The subject you are finding inspiring just might not be as inpiring for them, or may not be as important.

If you are not interested in about learning it, why take the course in the first place? Well, often its our society&#039;s requirement for you to become a &#039;well-rounded&#039; person, often making you take the courses forcefully that is just not in area of your interest.

I think for all of these reasons and further more, often the courses have to become very generalized to accomodate all of these people, ending up having to test you on very generalized stuff - which often happens to be the knowledges and facts. This leaves it up to you to be the one who is responsible of developing your own critical thinking skills.

Then what&#039;s the use of developing all these critical thinking skills especially when it&#039;s not going to be related directly with your marks? One of my aspect is that it is important because critical thinking can lead you into discovery/development of new stuffs, which are often almost revolution-izing. How did Sir Issac Newton come up with the concept of calculus? It&#039;s because he had a pure interest in physics, and wanted understand better about the natural phenomena by expressing them into equations. By using all of his knowledge on the mathematics of the time, he developed a new concept of math, calculus! The moral of the story is that critical thinking proves its value in such ways at the end of the day.

Of course, this was possible because he was not only interested, but also had all the time and resources as an aristocrat that he probably never had to worry about running out throughout his lifetime. The reason why it is hard to find many historical revolution-izing scholars from the working classes is probably analogous to the people who I have mentioned above for not having enough energy/time/resource to spend their passion on thinking about the subject deeply and critically. It&#039;s practically unreasonable for a peasant with a huge farmland to take care to devote his majority of time on thinking about how to express the falling speed of his crops into one equation. He would rather spend the same time on the ways to increase the yield of his crops by having the same passion in genetics, evolution, and ecology. It&#039;s all comes down to the issue of practicallity.

In conclusion, it is ultimately &quot;your&quot; responsibility to develop your own critical thinking with your own initiative to think, and should you wish to develop further, it should also be &quot;your&quot; responsibility to discuss with people who have similar interests and passions with you. Nobody can directly teach or induce you how to think critically because nobody can think for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my little opinion, critcal thinking is something that cannot be taught explicitly on. </p>
<p>From my experience, you need to have the pure will and interest on the subject being taught in the first place. This makes the person an active thinker. An active thinker will consistently try to understand a subject better by applying it in many different ways. It often starts with a question to yourself, &#8220;what if&#8230;?&#8221;. Also if the subject being taught was accumulative, they might as well as think about in relations to the knowledge they have acquired before. However, in my experience, doing such was often very time and energy-consuming, making it an &#8216;energy guzzling process&#8217;. And ofcourse, often many people just don&#8217;t have enough time and energy to burn their whole passion on the subject because every one of them will have different priorities, or often inspirations. The subject you are finding inspiring just might not be as inpiring for them, or may not be as important.</p>
<p>If you are not interested in about learning it, why take the course in the first place? Well, often its our society&#8217;s requirement for you to become a &#8216;well-rounded&#8217; person, often making you take the courses forcefully that is just not in area of your interest.</p>
<p>I think for all of these reasons and further more, often the courses have to become very generalized to accomodate all of these people, ending up having to test you on very generalized stuff &#8211; which often happens to be the knowledges and facts. This leaves it up to you to be the one who is responsible of developing your own critical thinking skills.</p>
<p>Then what&#8217;s the use of developing all these critical thinking skills especially when it&#8217;s not going to be related directly with your marks? One of my aspect is that it is important because critical thinking can lead you into discovery/development of new stuffs, which are often almost revolution-izing. How did Sir Issac Newton come up with the concept of calculus? It&#8217;s because he had a pure interest in physics, and wanted understand better about the natural phenomena by expressing them into equations. By using all of his knowledge on the mathematics of the time, he developed a new concept of math, calculus! The moral of the story is that critical thinking proves its value in such ways at the end of the day.</p>
<p>Of course, this was possible because he was not only interested, but also had all the time and resources as an aristocrat that he probably never had to worry about running out throughout his lifetime. The reason why it is hard to find many historical revolution-izing scholars from the working classes is probably analogous to the people who I have mentioned above for not having enough energy/time/resource to spend their passion on thinking about the subject deeply and critically. It&#8217;s practically unreasonable for a peasant with a huge farmland to take care to devote his majority of time on thinking about how to express the falling speed of his crops into one equation. He would rather spend the same time on the ways to increase the yield of his crops by having the same passion in genetics, evolution, and ecology. It&#8217;s all comes down to the issue of practicallity.</p>
<p>In conclusion, it is ultimately &#8220;your&#8221; responsibility to develop your own critical thinking with your own initiative to think, and should you wish to develop further, it should also be &#8220;your&#8221; responsibility to discuss with people who have similar interests and passions with you. Nobody can directly teach or induce you how to think critically because nobody can think for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Khalil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Khalil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It also does worry me that I’m finding it hard to have the motivation to do anything but “just pass”. What does it all mean, and why am I doing it? It’s a good question, and I’m sure the answer will be complicated. I think it’s partly because of my dislike for memorization, that I naturally figure out the least I need to study to just pass.&quot;

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Josh, you are on the right path... all you have to do is just pass inorder to become a doc... so why put more stress on yourself?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It also does worry me that I’m finding it hard to have the motivation to do anything but “just pass”. What does it all mean, and why am I doing it? It’s a good question, and I’m sure the answer will be complicated. I think it’s partly because of my dislike for memorization, that I naturally figure out the least I need to study to just pass.&#8221;</p>
<p>AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Josh, you are on the right path&#8230; all you have to do is just pass inorder to become a doc&#8230; so why put more stress on yourself?</p>
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		<title>By: Rach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Josh, you may want to see if students are a part of the curriculum review committees at the med school. Your feedback would be invaluable to not only the committee but current and future students too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Josh, you may want to see if students are a part of the curriculum review committees at the med school. Your feedback would be invaluable to not only the committee but current and future students too.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 05:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really liked this post.

 You&#039;re totally right about testing critical thinking but not thinking about it. I think in the more mathematical disciplines they do teach you &quot;algorithms&quot; for problem solving, but I think a lot of smart people just rely on their innate intelligence. Strategies that would help people in the middle of the pack, so to speak, are neglected by profs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked this post.</p>
<p> You&#8217;re totally right about testing critical thinking but not thinking about it. I think in the more mathematical disciplines they do teach you &#8220;algorithms&#8221; for problem solving, but I think a lot of smart people just rely on their innate intelligence. Strategies that would help people in the middle of the pack, so to speak, are neglected by profs.</p>
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